LinkSkywalker 1259896476|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
This is an excellent point, leiger. I know this has been here for a while now, but I'd thought I'd say that anyway.
God truly is incomprehensible…
LinkSkywalker
marcobattaglia 1259829246|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
prova
graphmastur 1259289090|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
Considering Creation is God's art… Yeah.
I like that analogy.
"But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts, and always be ready to give a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in you, with meekness and fear;" ~ 1 Peter 3:16
Timothy Foster 1259285264|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
Well, who ever said that the apes came first? Perhaps humans caused apes ;)
Certainly, a nickle looks much like a quarter, but nickles do not in anyway cause quarters to exist. However, consider two paintings. Each painting containing similar strokes and similar tones of color. Of course, the two paintings are of different things, one looks like sky and the other like mountains. Even still, the two hint to a similar painter, for in truth the same painter did paint these two paintings.
Likewise, is it not logical to say that perhaps the similarity in the way organisms function and look is the product of a similar Designer? We see similar creatures, similar stages of life, and similar compositions. Nothing can cause another without imputing some effort to do so, such is why nickles don't cause quarters. But two different paintings similar in ways and different in others can indeed be the product of a single designer, a Creator of sorts.
Sort of an artistic way to think about God's Creation I suppose.
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graphmastur 1259249410|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
I just thought of something. If a human and ape look the same, in bone structure, isn't it Post hoc to say that man came from ape?
It's like saying that Apes occurred, then humans occurred, therefore apes caused humans.
"But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts, and always be ready to give a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in you, with meekness and fear;" ~ 1 Peter 3:16
leiger 1258497071|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
The problem with that is, it's your opinion that homosexuality is "just plain freaky". In fact, it's similar to my own opinion.
But with religion, you've got to avoid focusing on someone's opinion and to focus instead on what scripture says. In this case it's the Bible, which represents God's Word.
Link posted a few references…
Let's see here…the Bible says homosexuality is sinful in Genesis 19, Leviticus 18:22, Leviticus 20:13, Romans 1:26-27, 1 Corinthians 6:9, 1 Timothy 1:10, and perhaps more.
To be honest, I think there are some misinterpretations of what the scripture means, that the church has made over time. Whether homosexuality is one of them, I don't know.
To me (and here is my opinion, not necessarily what the scripture means) it seems unnatural considering that both man and woman exist. If it was meant to be otherwise then only one gender would be needed for reproduction.
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Wisp 1258421397|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
Sinful? Perhaps. Seems kinda odd to me, though.
Honestly, I'd say it's more like, "just plain freaky."
"If you watch Jaws backwards, it's a movie about a shark that keeps throwing people up until they have to open a beach."
Hey, guys! I know Timothy Foster in real life, so I'm famous too, right?
Timothy Foster 1258381887|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
I don't know why I didn't see this before. I'll go ahead and start a section.
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Timothy Foster 1257134094|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
Timothy, he is not saying that good will get you a better spot in Heaven, or on the new earth. He is saying that it's the only way to get to Heaven.
That's what I originally thought which is why I posted what I did up there. But he said I interpreted it wrong.
spot guaranteed in heaven
I believe there is some confusion around this phrase. Does this mean being able to be in Heaven? Or is having a status/position in Heaven? In the passage, James and John were referring to specific status in Heaven, the right and left of God. I don't think there was a question of whether they would go to Heaven.
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graphmastur 1257108996|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
Except what he is saying, is that we have to be good all of our lives in order to get into heaven. I think James just wants to debate really. Due to the fact that he says that there is no right or wrong, except when we step on other people's rights, but now he is saying that you have to be good and do right to be let into heaven. James, there is absolutely nothing you can do to earn a place in heaven.
The passage is talking about how they wanted to be at the right hand of God. James and John, two of the three main disciples of Jesus wanted a higher place in heaven. God told them that he would not give a higher place. They thought that since they were God's disciples, they should get a better position in heaven, than others. However, Jesus dispelled this idea, and said that if you want to be great, then it is not those who are these great disciples of Jesus, but the low and humble people, who serve others.
I think, James, that you simply want to disagree to something. Not actively rooted into your worldview at all. It saddens me to say that, but I believe it is true. You say there is no right or wrong, and yet you say that we have to do right to get to heaven. You say that doing one of God's wishes is not enough, then how is 1,000 going to do it. It means absolutely nothing to Him, otherwise, He would not have had to die for us.
Timothy, he is not saying that good will get you a better spot in Heaven, or on the new earth. He is saying that it's the only way to get to Heaven.
James, I don't believe that verse has anything to do with indulgence either.
"But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts, and always be ready to give a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in you, with meekness and fear;" ~ 1 Peter 3:16
Timothy Foster 1257083189|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
Oh, I see now. I apologize for interpreting this wrong.
Then, I do agree with what you are saying for there will be those who are higher in Heaven and those who are lower based on our lives here. So,
actively live in the spirit of God your whole life
is certainly a good thing to do.
— Blog ~ Life's Handbook
leiger 1257078852|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
I have a very different interpretation of your passage Shane
Actually, that is remarkably similar to how I interpret the passage.
Maybe I didn't express myself properly, or am just missing the point you are making. Can you explain which parts are different in our interpretations?
Though of course, as Tim posted, we cannot earn our place in heaven. We can attempt to do so, and we're encouraged to do exactly that, but we will ultimately fail and that's why God's grace is necessary.
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James Kanjo 1257058902|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
You've taken what I've said out of context. I was talking about indulgence — you can't comply with one of God's wishes and have a spot guaranteed in heaven. You must try to actively live in the spirit of God your whole life, which will mean you're deserving of a fulfilling afterlife (despite your sins). He will help us, after we have helped others.
Timothy Foster 1257009328|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
Consider this: If we had to earn our place in Heaven, all would fail, for in Romans 3:23 —
For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God
For the Son of Man came not to be served but to serve, and to give his life a ransom for many.
A fundamental belief is that there is no possible way that we can earn eternal life, we can only be given eternal life when we are undeserving of it by the grace of God. This is especially evident in Ephesians 2:1-10.
— Blog ~ Life's Handbook
James Kanjo 1257005287|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
I have a very different interpretation of your passage Shane:
To me, it seemed as though Jesus was talking about indulgence. James and John were wanting to secure their places in heaven — so they asked one man, Jesus, to do this for them.
Jesus was saying that no man can secure a place in heaven for you… only you can do that. Jesus also goes on to say that if you want a place in heaven, you need to give yourself up to others. By being a servant to other people, you are acting in the spirit of generosity — you are earning your place in heaven.
leiger 1256513834|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
1) I've also been told that this is part of the difference between 1st century and 21st century culture. In the first century, one's family was a significant detail that described who they were, so a father's name or place that they came from usually accompanied their regular name e.g. "Jesus of Nazareth" :)
Is Bartimaeus mentioned elsewhere in the bible?… :|
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Timothy Foster 1256511616|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
1) Depends on where else the name is mentioned. It also in a way shows that apparently, this event was powerful enough that his name was worth mentioning.
2) Well, I believe that the blind man apparently knew that Jesus could heal him, and his faith in that was very great. Furthermore, his blindness had to have been a major affliction in his life, so great that he could ignore the others.
3) The clause after says that he "sprang up", so he was apparently so excited that nothing of his mattered any longer. So, in the haste of wanting to be healed, he left his cloak. Perhaps it could symbolically mean that he left his old self.
4) Persistence can yield miracles. Even when things apparently are getting worse, it certainly doesn't hurt to keep praying until the answer is apparent.
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leiger 1256479513|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
Well, I was pretty much stumped by this one, so any insight you can come up with is great :)
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Timothy Foster 1256475230|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
About to leave for church, but I think I can answer this one real quick.
The use of all the pronouns makes this hard to understand, but it seems to say that only the people who will sit at God's left and right can give the position to someone else. Though, I do know that from I believe Hebrews, Jesus sits at God's right, and Jesus is 100% God and 100% man. So, since Jesus is God, is He referring to the one on His right? And the one on the Father's left?
That's a pretty good question. What were your thoughts?
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leiger 1256465814|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
The reflection we've been given says this:
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